Showing posts with label internal. Show all posts
Showing posts with label internal. Show all posts

Monday, September 06, 2010

Re: Ueshiba Morihei's power by Mark Murray

Mucho se está hablando sobre el origen de la fuerza interna desarrollada por Ueshiba en los foros. Dejo aquí un interesante post de Mark Murray publicado originalmente en aikiweb.


There is more than one power category when talking about Ueshiba. (I leave aside all the spiritual "myths")

1. The first is purely muscular. Ueshiba at his best before he met Takeda. The muscle power driving farming, carpentry, etc for most of the world. But, somehow, I doubt that this is the kind of power that Iwata Sensei, or Ellis for that matter, are focused.

This kind of power is mentioned by either Sagawa or some of his students. I had to give up power to get power. Sagawa could toss people like rag dolls when old but couldn't open a jar of food. Etc.

This kind of power can be used for MMA, BJJ, wrestling, and some jujutsu where muscle along with timing can replicate "hard within soft" or the radial tire analogy of rubber around steel.

2. Internal Power. No, not aiki. This is a power level generated by structure and frame and an internally built body. It is force generated from very little distance (if any). Even this can be divided into categories using "ground", "store and release", "whip", etc. Not all work the same but each can generate various levels of power depending on how well (i.e. the right training) the person has trained. This can be the power to snap bones.

3. The third ... for lack of a better term, let's call it aiki as learned from Takeda. This "power" of aiki can be generated between human bodies but not between a human and an inanimate object. It's best summed up by the Daito ryu men saying that aiki is making the other person do what you want ... but in a way that manifests softness without the requirement of timing. Power over another person in appropriately matching energy that comes out as ghosty feeling, running into a mountain that isn't moving, just being moved without a choice, etc. This is the true hard within soft, the rubber over steel, etc. all the way to completely soft and ghosty without resorting to timing.

#1 is fairly easy to accomplish, most people can attain it without tremendous effort, and it's something that a lot of martial artists have experienced. It isn't the kind of power that made Ueshiba famous.

#2 and #3, IMO, are what Takeda taught. He blended them together to create a very different martial body that most other martial artists didn't comprehend, but knew instantly in a hands-on experience that it was the "Holy Grail", if you will.

#2 alone wouldn't have done a whole lot of impressing. Yeah, someone has power, but so what? Given a good jujutsu man, or a good fighting man, try using that IP in a dynamic encounter against them. IP alone isn't going to impress 90%-100% of the time. Maybe half the time. Good jujutsu or fighting men will flow around with timing, sensitivity, and skills to negate a lot of openings to use IP, especially some of the slower IP generating methods.

#3 alone might have impressed people. Considering that the ghosty feeling and the being controlled would amount to creating a whole lot of martial openings for strikes and throws. But, that isn't the only thing we read about Ueshiba. As Ellis' article notes and as some of the students noted, Ueshiba had power in his grip. Ueshiba felt like a jolt of electricity at points in his life. He had juice and used it.

Can you separate out #2 and #3 from the aiki men? IMO, no. Not them (others, perhaps). They integrated both and used it in a "fighting" manner, with and without weapons. It was the combination of both that made other high ranking and skilled martial artists take note of them.

But, just how far did Ueshiba take those skills? Unfortunately, I don't have any answers for Ueshiba. Just all the myriad of articles about him.

Friday, July 09, 2010

The Ura of Kiai (I)

Hoy toca llamar la atención sobre un hilo creado por David Orange, de la Yoseikan y uchideshi de Minoru Mochizuki, en Aikiweb. Este es el enlace original de lo que copio aquí.


I had what I think was a real breakthrough in understanding this weekend.

My Sensei once told me that aiki is the ura (reverse or unseen side) of kiai.

I always took that to mean that aiki is a response to another person's kiai attack: you adhere to the ura of his movement.

But this weekend, I realized that I have kiai, myself, and that aiki is the ura of my own kiai.

If you consider the properties and nature of kiai, in yourself, what could be the ura of that?

My understanding of kiai is that it's not the shout but the spirit of attacking. The shout is like a shadow or sound of kiai. Like the sound of a gunshot is not the gunshot, but an effect of the gunshot. The kiai is not the gunshot or the bullet or the sound: it's the intent to shoot, and the action of pulling the trigger. In unarmed fighting, it's the intent to smash the other guy.

For empty-hand, knife or sword, kiai means crossing the gap and blasting through the opponent, knocking him down or impaling him on the sword.

So how could aiki be the ura of that?

I conceived that it would be not crossing the gap or putting your power into the opponent, but holding your ground immovably and letting him run into your sword (or fist) with his kiai attack, so that all his own power (not your power) goes back into him.

Kiai is putting your power into him: aiki is turning all his power back to himself, without moving, by letting the ground receive and support his force. And that would be what Mike Sigman calls peng jin. It's immoveable, and it lifts the opponent and floats him. And this is why Ueshiba does the immovability demonstrations. It's the prime essence of aiki. After that, you add movement and technique, maintaining the peng jin ground support (aiki) and keeping him floated through the movement.

Deeper aiki development means being able to exert that ground support and floating of the opponent at any point of contact.

I worked on this idea a bit over the weekend with a guy who was not very receptive and it satisfied me that I had understood the basic idea and need to develop it much more deeply. It's completely consistent with what I got from both Ark and Dan Harden. I started seeing something that relates perfectly with Dan's concept of moving from the hips and with Ark's shintaijiku. For the first time, I was able to take a push to my chest and convert it into a strike with my forearm/fist like Ark does, but I did it through something Dan showed me and I could clearly see his central pivot and the cross-arms concept. So I feel that I'm getting a solid understanding of where all three (Ark, Dan and Mike) are coming from.

Now if I can just develop that understanding into some ability....

Comments appreciated.

David

Friday, January 08, 2010

Ki

Una miniserie de tres artículos de Mike Sigman:

Y un articulo de Howard Bornstein:

Lectura para un ratito...

Friday, October 10, 2008

Internal Strength

Un poco de cultura sobre energía interna y su aplicación a las artes marciales, por Mike Sigman.

Internal Strength magazine offers commentary and instructive articles which are related to those martial arts using "internal strength". Efforts will be made to insure that viewpoints reflect knowledge and experience in the substance of martial arts, not personal interpretation, experiments, or theory. In short, we will try to publish honest, helpful information for fellow enthusiasts. We solicit knowledgeable articles and comment from our readers, who we hope will share their knowledge and enthusiasm in the same spirit that we do in this magazine.